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Tuesday, June 23, 2009

Once again 70's Topps Cards and Wax- not that rare

I always keep my eye open for things that make me look like I know what I am talking about. Previously I blathered on about 1975 Topps Mini's not being rare. Father Itcher commented that singles are not rare, but the wax is. I ran across two examples of many releases that lead me to believe that I am correct.

First: An example of a high number 61 Topps box missing just one pack. One box does not make the amount of wax out there seem like a lot but the fact is that if a kid thought to keep a box worth of packs sealed than how many are out there? I say quite a few.

Second, third, fourth and fifth and sixth: Note how all of them are guaranteed, I know I know they could be full of crap, to have been pulled from a sealed case. I know I know, everything is technically pulled from a sealed case. Again, how many cases does it take to make this stuff not rare. In my opinion, if there are 100 unopened boxes of any of this stuff, it isn't rare. Look on the bay when you get a chance. Do a search for 197* topps box. Sort high price to low. Sealed boxes at exorbitant prices regularly. Can you pick them up at the corner market? No, butyou can get anything you want.

Don't get me started on 80's wax. I'm looking at you early 80s hockey and football. Oh yeah, 86 fleer basketball? Please.


dayf said...

Well, there's rare and then there's RARE.

80's crap is not rare. At all. Exception: the '86-87 Fleer you mentioned. Now, it's not technically rare, but the thought of pulling 3, 4 or even 5 Jordan rookie cards from ONE BOX added to the relatively smaller supply compared with the rest of the stuff from that decade makes it outrageously expensive.

70's crap is scarce, and gets scarcer the farther back you go. Yeah, you can pick up '79 Topps real easy and can even find cases of '75 and '74 floating around, but before that the packs were sold in separate series so in order to to get packs from the whole set you have 7 or 8 series to track down. And the higher series? now that's rare.

60's stuff is all rare. You have series to deal with and the fact that back then it was still kiddie stuff so less unopened wax was saved. You can find it, sure, but it ain't easy.

50's is daaaamn tough. The only way that stuff survived is if someone left it in a warehouse or an attic and forgot about it. Now that happens occasionally ('51 Topps Red Backs) but not that often.

Now, I think a lot of the reason these '70s boxes are going for redonkulous prices is because of the obsessive graders buying them up so they can rip them, go over every card with a microscope and try to get that elusive Gem Mint 10 that some other idiot will buy that allows them to make a profit on the box. I assume the unworthy cards are shredded and make into organic kitty litter. Now, if enough morons do that, then the '70s packs will eventually become rare. It would probably take a nuclear holocaust to make '80s packs rare though.

stusigpi said...

I have to disagree on the 70's stuff. There were quite a few huge mail order dealers around and I bet there is a lot of stuff sitting out there. If you watch,much of this stuff is sold a box at a time. I agree it is hard to get a hold of, but people are hoarding this stuff.

60's stuff is much harder to get a hold of,but we don't know what the likes of Kit Young's wharehouse has stored in it. I have read stories of people that have seen some of it. It is ridiculous. There were lots of dealers that sold complete sets back in the day. It seems like the dark ages to a lot of us,but there were collectors magazines even in those days.

50's, there have been some finds out there. Mr.Mint bought a whole bunch of wax, but I bet much of that was opened.

One thing to remember is that a case of 60's and 70's Topps didn't run all that much. A box was between 1.20 and $5.00 making cases $20-$60 at retail. There have been large transactions that I have read about where 70's and 80's wax was sold in volume for $3-$6 a box.

86 Fleer costs a fortune, but again,I would bet there are many cases to be had. Even if there aren't, a PSA 7 Jordan can be had day or night. Don't get me wrong, I know what this stuff sells for but the print run had to be at least 5000 cases.

The graders are the ones busting these. Any idiot that pays for a 9 or a 10 deserves what they get.

Motherscratcher said...

I based that opinion on hours upon hours of extensive research...err...OK, I was guessing.

I think part of what I was trying to say was that maybe the unopened wax sold for so much due to the unquantifiable "fun" in busting decades old wax. Not that that would justify the price of this stuff, it would just make the unopened stuff a little more desirable to some people.

Personally, I find the idea of opening a pack of 1975 Topps to find a Brett rookie pretty cool, even though it wouldn't cost me a whole hell of a lot to just buy one.

On the other hand, the idea that graders are the ones buying this is something that hadn't occured to me and makes a whole hell of a lot of sense. It also makes my previous point completely moot.

Oh well.

stusigpi said...

Mother and Dayf

You both make good points and I think they are valid. I agree that busting a box of 75 topps to get a Ryan, Winfield, Brett, Yount, etc is very cool, but good god $1000?

Any of the big 70's boxes 76 Football for example, if you dont get a Payton 9 or 10, you just lost some serious cash. I suppose you can make it up if you get a 10 of something else, but it better be a star because a common 10 might bring you $40. Don't forget the cost of grading.

I do think that there are some well to do collectors that drop 20k on a case of 70's wax just to open it.