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Saturday, January 31, 2009

2008 Upper Deck Masterpieces Baseball Box 11 of 11

Box 11

Out of 11 boxes I ended up 2 SP's short of a set, but had enough cards to make 2-3 base sets. This box's SPs:
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Framed Parallel:
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Red parallel:
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Green: Joltin Joe
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The Jersey:
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The Auto: yup a double. I did not do well with the autos at all. Except for you Moose, except for you.
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I am going to do a wrap up post tomorrow on the autos and jerseys I pulled. I have a ton of SP's for trade including almost all in the want list of Mr. Mosley if he would email me back.

Beckett Message Boards

This is not meant to be a Beckett Bashing Post, but I went ot post my box break from that free box they sent me and I get nothing but error messages when I try to access the boards. I noticed their cell spacing is off on their menus as well.

Is this common?

The fall of Mayo

Boxes are now $89 on the bay with free shipping. Maybe we should have a pool to see who can guess the price on March 1?

Salem-Keizer Volcanoes Hot Stove er Winter thing

Last night I went to the Salem-Keizer Volcanoes Winter thing. Tom Treblehorn is the current Manager and Steve Decker is the former and will be moving to Double A. $25 bucks a plate for crappy food. The chicken was a bit um cold. Anyway, from 6-7 was a silent auction. You think that there would be Jerseys, autos, hats used bats, all sorts of stuff. Um No. The auction consisted of 2 jerseys not of the Volcanoes, ticket packages and other stuff.

Here is what I got:
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It is a thick ass flannel jersey. It doesn't feel cheap at all. Although I have no idea how people palyed in these.

Then we got to the speaker that started at 7.
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This guy was past president of the American Bar Association and is part owner of the San Francisco Giants. He worked for Microsoft as general counsel for 25 years or so and made an obscene amount of money on their stock. It is clear from his speech that he is a poor public speaker so it is good that he was a studio lawyer, and second that he knows absolutely nothing about baseball.

Quick back story, my friend Dennis sponsored the even, he helped bring the Valcanoes here. He is a big Giants fan, I am a Dodgers fan. He joked that he thought I might show up in a Dodgers hat.

Anyway, this guy was trying to explain why the Giants have done poorly the last few years. He said that they had built their team around Bonds, who, as he described "Was a Force of Nature" and owns the most coveted record in Baseball. I damn near came out of my seat. You son of a bitch. Bonds is a cheater, a liar, and I hope he burns in hell for what he did to baseball.

This guy also thinks that Randy Winn is the best right field fielder in the game. He talked about how after some complex stastical analysis by one of their young brilliant analyst, they have determined that Randy Winn is a better player because of how many runs produces and how many runs his defense prevents. I think this analysis give the giants an excuse to not pursue high priced or high producing players. If you have ever wondered why teams suck year after year, its because rich guys that like baseball that know nothing about it are calling the shots.

We then ate our cold chicken and then Tom Treblehorn spoke:
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This guy was funny and knows his stuff. Nothing but good things to say about him

Steve Decker was also hanging out:
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Here is some of the free stuff:
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By the way, where did the term "hot stove" come from and why do they call it that?

The problem with the industry in an email

This is the 345 post about what is wrong with the hobby, but indicators are everywhere. I subscribe to Blowout's email and yesterday I got the following email to advertise presells:

2008/09 Basketball Cases


2008/09 Upperdeck SP Authentic Basketball 12 bx case for $1140 ($95 a bx Rate !!)
2 case lot for $2250
1/2 Case Lot for $600
(5 Cases available) (02/05 Release)
(UD IS SOLD OUT)
24 packs per Box..5 Cards per Pack... Two autographs per box, on average!One Autographed Patch Rookie Card or One Autographed Letterman Card per box, on average! One multi-signed autographed card per case, on average!

2008/09 UD Premier Basketball 10 bx case for $2300 ($230 a Box rate !!)
2 case Lot for $4500
1/2 case lot for $1175
(5 Cases available) (02/11/09 Release)
(UD IS SOLD OUT)
1 Packs per Box. 7 Cards per pack. Arguably the best product of 2007-08 returns!Find even more unique woven patches featuring the greatest basketball players in history!Premier Rookies feature four pieces of memorabilia and an autograph!Look for incredible memorabilia cards featuring multiple swatches and unique die cuts!Find one of each of the following: 1 regular card #'d to 99, 1 rookie auto jersey with four die cuts #'d to 199 or less, 1 woven patch with unique designs for every player #'d to 50 or less, 1 autograph #'d to 50 or less, 1 triple or quad jersey variable #'d to 99 or less, 1 Jersey/Patch or Auto/Memorabilia numbered to 50 or less plus either an extra autograph or a multiple swatch memorabilia card!

2008/9 TOPPS T-51 MURAD BASKETBALL 12 bx Case for $840 ($70 a Bx Rate !!)
2 Case lot for $1650
1/2 Case Lot for $450
(5 Cases available) (02/11/09 Release)
(TOPPS IS SOLD OUT !)
Only 599 #'d cases made
24 packs per Box. 5 cards per Pack...Brings you back in time to 1910, featuring the MURAD design from the first Basketball cards...These cards feature the best players in the NBA and offer unique mini silk and suede parallel cards....Every Hobby box guarantees 1 Autograph and 1 Relic Card; also it contains 1 T-6 Cabinet Box Loader, 4 Rookie Variation Cards, 8 Short-printed Cards, and 24 Mini-Parallel Cards

2008/09 Upperdeck Skybox Basketball 16 bx case for $1200 ($75 a Bx Rate !!)
1/2 Case lot for $625
(5 Cases available) (02/18/09 Release)
12 packs per Box. 10 cards per pack.. Three (3) memorabilia cards per box including at least one (1) dual swatch! (on average) One (1) autograph per box! (on average)Look for Precious Metal Parallels!Find Hobby-exclusive Autographs and Base Set Parallels!Each box contains a variety of box-break inserts, including Metal Universe, Metal Universe Rookie, Precious Metal Gems, and Precious Metal Gems Parallels numbered to 50 or less!

2008/09 UD X Basketball 12 bx case for $750 ($62.50 a bx rate !!)
2 Case lot for $1450
1/2 case lot for $400
(5 Cases available) (03/10/09 Release)
20 packs per Box. 8 Cards per pack. One Autographed Card Per Box, on average!One Memorabilia Card Per Box, on average!A Dimensional Foil Card in every pack, on average!One Rookie Card in every pack, on average!

2008/09 UD Black Basketball 10 bx case for $1875 ($187.50 a bx Rate !!)
2 Case lot for $3700
1/2 Case lot for $950
(5 Cases available) (03/25/09 Release)
(UD IS SOLD OUT)
2 Packs per Box. 1 Card per Pack. Every card will feature autographs or multi memorabilia pieces numbered to 99 or less!One autograph per display box! (on average)Look for unique signed manufactured patch cards!Find signed game worn jersey cards-- the autograph is actually on the game-worn jersey material! Autographed memorabilia rookie cards numbered to 99!

2008/09 UD LINEAGE BASKETBALL 12 bx case for $1200 ($100 a bx rate !!)
2 Case lot for $2350
1/2 Case lot for $625
(5 Cases available) (04/01 Release)
(UD IS SOLD OUT)
24 Packs per Box. 8 Cards per pack. First chance to collect Michael Jordan Legacy Cards! Falling 12 per box, on average.Celebrating Upper Deck basketball?s history with current players on vintage card designs from 1991-92 to 1993-94!Find Autographed Buyback cards from these original card sets!Eight Rookie Cards in every box, on average! Look for the return of classic inserts that are now signed, including Flight Team and 15,000 Point club! Find all 54 Rookie Standout cards!

2008/09 Upperdeck Radiance Basketball 8 bx case for $1400 ($175 a bx Rate !!)
1/2 case lot for $675
(5 Cases available) (04/29 Release)
3 Packs per Box. 4 Cards per Pack.Upper Deck Radiance is an autograph intensive product!Five autographs per box! Including:1 Auto Focus Plexi or Sweet Shot autograph per box! on average One Rookie autograph per box! on average. Two Multi signed autographs per case! on average. Collect Michael Jordan Legacy Cards! Falling One per pack!

2008/09 Upperdeck Ultimate Collection Basketball 15 bx case for $1150 ($76.66 a Bx Rate !!)
2 Case lot for $2250
(5 Cases available) (05/14 Release)
4 Cards per Pack. 1 Pack per Box. The Ultimate card set has returned!The return of Century Legends Epic Signatures!At least 9 Autographs per case! On averageLook for Autographed Rookie Logoman Patch cards numbered to 1!120 Base Cards (#'d to 399)20 Rookie Cards (#'d to 399)20 Ultimate Legends (#'d to 399)21 Ultimate Rookie auto/mem (#'d to 150)

LOOK AT IT!
Are any of those products different at all? To be fair, Murad is a different product, but all of the high end are slightly varied from the others. Crazy. With the Ultimate Collection you are paying $20 a card, radiance is $35 per auto. Ugh, its all too terrible. Murad may be different, but we still have to wait and see if Topps F's it up.

Friday, January 30, 2009

2008-09 Topps Treasury Box Break Review

Here is the break from my Beckett Box. Hey guys, thanks for the box. I appreciate it.

As I said in my last post, I have wanted to bust this stuff for a while. I had looked at buying a few boxes of these but the prices just hadn't come down. Da Cardworld has these for $102 a box and they run $60-75 on the bay. This set was mocked for being a lottery where topps put cash in rip cards up to $1000 bills.

1 box/18 packs/5 cards/1 auto/1 rip box - 120 cards in the set.

The base set: I got 62 veterans, 6 retired and 11 rookies. 65.8% of the set.
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Note the chipping on the bottom of the back of the card. It looks much worse in person. The corners also show wear with a bit of white peaking through. The card stock is a bit thin. I like the base set a lot. The design is good and the cards look good too. The quality control is a bit crappy.

I didn't get any doubles. The collation was excellent. I received stars and good rookies. Here are some of those rookies:
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Refractors:
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/2008
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/199
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The refractors had no damage or defects of any kind.

The Rip Card: This is my first rip card and I ripped it because I wanted to give a full review. In addition, the surface had some defects on it. I tried to get a pic of the defects but couldn't quite get there. These are 1 per box:
This is what came in the pack:
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This is the rip card /299:
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Here is what came in it:
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The auto: These are not serialed. In addition, note the scratch on the card that I have crudely circled. The sticker is inset in the card and I like it better than just slapping a sticker on the card. The sticker did seem to have a bit of a bubble.
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I really appreciate Beckett sending me this box. It probably didn't cost them anything to do so other than the shipping, but this is a sweet prize.

Having said that, I would be doing my readers a disservice if I didn't say the following: These boxes aren't worth anywhere close to the $60 you can get them for on ebay and I love you DA, but good god that's a high price. These are similar to Chrome, with regular base cards instead of them all being chrome. You get the refractors, the auto, and a rip card.

Topps, you and I need to Confab. I like your products. You and I go way way back. 26 years now, but your card quality is crap. These cards come on flimsy stock. If you would have put them on Cardboard, you would be money. The design is good, but the chipping?? The worn corners? Much like your 2007 Topps products, great design but the cards do not hold up well. I don't know how much extra it costs to use cardboard, but you need to in order to pull off the designs namely the dark colors on the boarders. If you use white boarders then the damage doesn't show up.

Winner-jo, Beckett-jo, Topps-jo, treasury-jo

Oh c'mon a joe collector and his prize from Beckett.

A while ago I was informed that I had won a prize from Beckett. It could be cards, it could be an unopened box, or whatever. Luckily I had a lake in my bathroom that required the plumber and I had to be home to let him in when this arrived:
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So I opened it
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and found this:
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I have wanted to bust a box of this stuff for a while and hadn't seen any busts, although I am sure they are available on the tube. I am/was psyched. This is a $50-$80 box with packs in shops going for a Shite load.
I also found this:
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I will post the break tomorrow as I am on my way to the Keizer Valcanoes Hot Stove fund raiser silent auction buffet dinner thing with some people and some of them important, I am not one of those.

Next break, Upper Deck, Donruss and Topps

The question I have been asking myself is what should I bust next. Normally there are many releases that are out there. Mayo perhaps? The issue there is the checklist went from awesome to awe crap. Chris Harris at Stale gum gave his break a high rating. Which puts me in a quandry. I would like to bust a case of this stuff because I like the cards, but I really wanted that JoePa auto. There are other autos to be had, but there are some concerns about the condition of the cards. I have experienced that before with 2007 Topps basketball and to a greater extent 2008 Bowman Football. Of course if someone sent me a box to review, it might set my mind at ease. The T-51 Murad Basketball is compelling as well, but who knows if we can trust Topps at this point with their checklists? I would be more than happy to review the basketball products as well.

I suppose I could continue with Finest. I am very anxious for Finest Baseball to come out.

Upper Deck has some nice stuff coming out. Exquisite looks good, SPA, and I could give rookie threads a go too. Expensive stuff to be sure. SPX and SPA look like leading candidates. Ultimate collection baseball looks like a winner too. I will check Blowout, DA, BigT and the Bay and see what I can come up with. Perhaps I can go back and bust a bunch of heroes football and baseball. I still haven't busted hockey this year, hmmm? Icons still hasn't come down too much in price. Maybe when 09 baseball products hit other prices will come down.

Donruss: I just busted a bunch of Leaf stuff from the past few years and was not blown away. National Treasures and Prime cuts are just too big of a gamble at this point. Maybe a mess of threads baseball. I don't know.

I have decided to pass on sweet spot. I like the product, but the fading autos are not acceptable.

Any thoughts?

Answer toLeaf Box Breaks - Guess the Year

The cards range in year from 2004-2007. Yeah, I can't tell the difference either. Its not that I don't like them, its that they are all the same.

Thursday, January 29, 2009

2008 Upper Deck Masterpieces Baseball Box 10 of 11

Box 10

More Sp's:
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Framed Parallel:
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Green Parallel:
Pujols. I didn't think I had gotten any other Pujols framed cards other than the black. Someone asked me if I had and I said no. Sorry, I didn't think I did.
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The Jersey(s):
This box came with two jerseys, no auto. I got that other box that had 1 auto and no jersey card.
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It is clear from the pictures that this box had some collation issues. The two Stargell SP's, and only 4 total framed cards. I did get the Pujols, again, i'm sorry to the person I told that I didn't get any others. OOps.

In contrast with the 2007, 2008 has had some serious problems with collation. Lack of hits, doubles, damaged cards technically not a collation issue. I think UD should consider bringing Masterpieces back in the future.

More thoughts on Donruss Being Sued by MLB - The other side

Regardless of my last post on the topic, I think Donruss is in some trouble. I am sure they got tons of legal advice before they went into production and certainly after they received the cease and desist letter from MLB. I still think that the complaint needs to be amended and it probably will be. Some of the counts are a bit skimpy. The worst thing that can happen is that MLB ends up on the business end of a bad faith claim because they tried to assert trademark claims on trademarks they do not own, such as the players that are in college uniform or independent league uniforms etc. In addition, the trade dress may not make it in the case of cards that show the player in a plain blue, grey, white, or simple pin stripe uniform. Those could be any uniform and in the case of pin stripes, which one is it, yankees, cubs, white socks, phils, or any other team that has ever had a basic pin stripe. Assuming the complaint will be amended I present my view of the other side.

Trademark infringement: Each player is shown in a uniform with specific color combinations and uniforms "trade dress" that are associated with the trademarks of the plaintiff. In addition, the stats on the back along with the city name on the front associate the trademark holder's trademarks In fact, some cards do not adequately block out the trademarks including where much of the team name is visable on the jersey but is merely obscured but not completely obliterated.

Confusion, mistake and deception: Donruss may concentrate on the learned collector knowing the difference of licensed v. non licensed cards, however, there are plenty of consumers, both actual and potential that do not. The seven year old says "I want some baseball cards" thinking he or she is getting major league baseball cards, but is essentially getting a cheap imposter. The packs of donruss cards are often merchandised and sold near or in the middle of licensed products and therefore a consumer does not have adequate notice of the non licensed product. Thus the way that cards are merchandised and sold allows donruss products to masquerade as a licensed product. Therefore, donruss is benefiting directly from the confusion that a consumer is likely to have.

Count III: Sport team trademarks, trade dress, logos etc are widely known and associated with MLB. There can be no other conclusion. In fact, if I say New York 4 out of the top 5 things most people would associate with the city name would be a sports team. Donruss acknowledged this when they signed the contract (now expired) but MLB may be able to show bad faith on behalf of Donruss because of their level of knowledge about the trading card and sports industry. The trademarks et al are being diluted by Donruss because of the number of cards and products produced in addition to the cards making the value of those logos much less by essentially doing away with the exclusivity of them.

Count IV Unfair Competition: Donruss is intentionally using the trademarks of others without permission to gain an advantage in the marketplace because they are not paying licensing fees or abiding by the trademark holder's wishes. This gives them a cost and marketing advantage.

Wednesday, January 28, 2009

Leaf Box Breaks - Guess the Year

Tell me that anyone can actually identify the year of these cards. That's what I thought. I was going to go through and Identify and present these in box break format, but there is no real point to do so. They are all from different years and across Donruss products.  Same old, same old, year in, year out. Now, for your viewing pleasure:

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