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Friday, February 26, 2010

Wash Rinse Repeat - Heritage Style

Catchy title eh?

I was going to write a review of 2010 Topps Heritage Baseball, but everyone has already done that, so instead I will leave you with last years posts. I got a ton of hate mail over them, but they still apply. I'll leave you with this, you can tell Heritage is a big ol crap on the front lawn price wise because 2009 Heritage High number is $45 a box, but the regular is as high as $90 and there isn't much of a difference.

2009 Topps Heritage super short print shenanigans
Over at ballcard mania, sorry no link I'm on my iPhone, there is a discussion that there are 7 super sp's. A few have been identified such as thom glavine, stupid, hanley ramirez in a bosox hat, Smoltz in a bosox-braves thing and 3 or so others. There is another one that is alledgedly unidentified.

The kick in the ass is that these are 1. Intentional 2. "errors" 3. So damn rare.

I get that these are an homage to the original set but why do it. These are the most gimmicky of all. The 07 jeter card was stupid but at least you could pull it with ease. The "errors" that were made look terrible. How did Topps decide to do a "thom" card? Third, the cards are way too short printed. I don't mind if there are 1 or 2 different cards but at least make them all one per case. Rare enough to chase common enough to pull.

I have the same problem with the Allen & Ginter case break. The Kos-fu is one per case and may have been inserted late. The nno minis and such just frustrate people. I didn't get even 1.

I think that Topps may have another trick up it's sleeve with the super sp's. One may be blaster or retail only; or certain case dates have different sp's. You might find the last one isn't found until later shipments. I get that the cases are "sold out". But that doesn't mean they are shipped at the same time. Maybe one is going to be found in the "high number" series.

Here is a suggestion to Topps. Cut the current player relics and autos and only include autos of the old guys. That should cut costs and you can then cut the price and thus sell more. I don't care about another brian mccan single color jersey.

I noticed a spike in my traffic and decided to check it out. Seems that my little post caught the ire of The Collectors Universe Forum.

A poster that goes by the handle MatthewBSchultz83 had the following to say:

More Hating on 09 Topps Heritage that refrences this thread!! What a tool.

To which Knopfler said:

I have no problem with someone not liking a certain set, but if he writes a sports card blog and has never heard of Fausto Carmona, he must not be into modern cards/current day baseball.

and Matthew circle jerks him back as says:

He's right he just doesn't get it, its about building the set. Taking us back to our childhoods, when packs of cards were less than $1, you got 15 cards and a stick of gum. You're right though Knopfler, he must live in a cave if he's never heard of Carmona.

First, really? You're banging on me because I made a comment about not knowing who Fausto fucking Carmona is? Really? Let's take a look at his stats. The man is 28-25 with a 4.19 ERA. Lest we not forget last year's 8-7 5.44 ERA performance. That might be enough to get you into a Donruss Banner Season insert set, but he is still a shit pitcher on a mediocre team. Sorry, I didn't know about a crap pitcher. Actually I had heard of the guy, regardless, if that's the auto I am going to pull, no thanks. The card was also considered a 'big hit"

Second, The set takes you back to your childhood when packs of cards were less than $1? Yeah jerkwad, these cards are $3 a pack. Plus, you have 75, yeah, 75 Sp's to try and get. The breaks on these boxes have been horrific. Troll around the Forums and you will see a Brooks Robinson "seat" card, 4 chromes and a vg+ buy back. That is considered a pretty good box. Really? How many boxes is it going to take you to complete a set? The only thing Heritage takes, is the money from your bank account and puts it into Topps bank account ya big ass. By the way, for the cost of less than 4 boxes, you can have a set with SP's. So keep dropping $75 a box on these and good luck building that set. At least masterpieces only has 30 sp's and they can be had for 1/2 a box of Heritage.

Here is a case break for you:

Case 1 of 3 stats:

Autographs 1 (redemption)
Game Used 12 (1 double)
Black Chrome 1
Chrome Refractor 12
Chome 52
Short Prints 97 58 different 39 doubles
Base set 1 2nd set short 1 card 3rd set short 3 cards
Master set no
New Age 20 missing 3
Then & Now 19 complete
Flashbacks 43
Baseball 20 complete
News 23 complete
Variations ?
Buybacks 6
Ad Panels 12 all different
Damaged cards 26 smashed corners

Notice the case left this guy 17 SP's short.

So keep pulling your Fausto Carmona autos and yelling mojo as you see that BV is $20 but you can't get more than $3 on Ebay for it. Wait, who doesn't get it?

update See auctions to buy Master sets here, here, here, here, oh and here, me too boss, and me, Don't forget me boss.

Wow, this set is well awful. See the scans here. Check out my response to Collectors universe douchebag.

I just don't "get it". These run $80 a box, the relics are horrible. Don't get me wrong, I would love to pull red ink autos of Fausto Carmona whoever the hell he is.

Really? $80 a box for bland ass relics, autos of people I have never heard of, buy back cards that are vg+ or Ex. Gee thanks Topps. Of course the people on this thread think its the best steamy pile ever. At least the chromes are nice.

There just aren't any rookies to drive this product because of the way the prospect sets are done now. Baseball is by far my favorite sport, but I hope the BB card market absolutely collapses so it gets a fresh start.


Grand Cards said...

Different Strokes, I guess. While not substantively different from 2009 Heritage--the relics are still weak, as always--I think that 2010 does a nice job. Good execution on card design, a much stronger set of autographs (on card Hall of Famers) and few/no gimmicky/lame Super SP cards (unless there are some I'm not aware of).

Is it worth $80/box? Given the "hits", probably not. But there certainly appears to be value in the set in the form that nice cards that people like to collect.

night owl said...

Exactly right on the short-prints and exactly why I don't attempt to complete a Heritage set anymore. I have a full-time job already, I don't need another one.

I hate the design. I know people say it's "clean."

"Clean" is code for boring.

Padretonian said...

I think it's OK for someone crazy enough to try and complete the master set, but the cost-benefit just doesn't compute on doing that. It's not like the relics are going to help make up for the high cost. I just bought 9 on eBay for .99 a piece with .25 cent combined shipping. This poor guy got a total of $13 for 9 boxes worth of hits. At the height of value right after the release.

I'll pass, maybe I'll try the equally difficult task of trying to complete the Goudey master set for the 2nd year in a row.

beardy said...

Agreed. Even though I am a humongous fan of vintage Topps designs, especially from the 50's & 60's, Heritage just doesn't do anything for me. I will be sticking to picking up random singles for my player/team collections, and that will be it.

Gotta say, the stamp inserts, although technically manufactured junk, are pretty nice looking.

We are over 2 months in to 2010, and I have purchased exactly ONE pack of a 2010 product. That's how (un)impressive the products on the market are to me right now.

Grand Cards said...

"Gotta say, the stamp inserts, although technically manufactured junk, are pretty nice looking."

I agree, and that actually got me thinking. Are the stamp cards any more manufactured junk than the cards themselves? I think that they're fundamentally different than say, a manufactured patch, which tries to play on the appeal of game-used relics and the look of patches. At least the stamps pay direct tribute to the 1961 stamps release which makes them far more interesting and gets bonus points in my book. Again, worth buying a box over? Probably not, but another nice addition to the release.